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	<title>Comments on: WordPress 2.3 And Another Comparison With Movable Type</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on software development and related, by Abhijit Nadgouda</description>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Nadgouda</title>
		<link>http://ifacethoughts.net/2007/09/25/wordpress-23-and-another-comparison-with-movable-type/comment-page-1/#comment-106051</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhijit Nadgouda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments. I hope this does not turn into a to-and-fro argument. I wanted to stress that the pros and cons that we see with both the tools are because of their design decisions and approach. As a personal opinion, I feel that WordPress is simpler and easier for an average blogger, especially because of the community contributions and license language. I tried to back that up with why I thought so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. I hope this does not turn into a to-and-fro argument. I wanted to stress that the pros and cons that we see with both the tools are because of their design decisions and approach. As a personal opinion, I feel that WordPress is simpler and easier for an average blogger, especially because of the community contributions and license language. I tried to back that up with why I thought so.</p>
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		<title>By: Anil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify a few of Matt&#039;s points...

&lt;em&gt;If you use learn the funky MiXedCase MT template tags you know… Movable Type. A proprietary tag system used no where else in the world.&lt;/em&gt;

Good news: You can use lowercase tags in MT4. So if your primary consideration for blogging platforms is an aversion to the shift key, mt:entries will be your new best friend. The template tag system in MT is used in TypePad as well, of course, and it&#039;s built into Adobe Dreamweaver. Which is hardly &quot;nowhere else in the world&quot;.

&lt;em&gt;If you learn WordPress theming you know PHP, the most widely used scripting language on the web. You’re also well-positioned to help the numerous bloggers and businesses who continue to switch to or start with WordPress every day.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh, c&#039;mon. I know enough PHP to know that being familiar with &lt;code&gt;the_loop&lt;/code&gt; is hardly the same thing as knowing PHP. In fact, if you learn MT&#039;s PHP template tags, you learn Smarty templating. Which is a PHP skill you can actually use on other applications. But this whole line of conversation is kind of disingenuous -- it&#039;s along the lines of &quot;if you extend Microsoft Word using C, you can write your own operating system!&quot; Technically, it&#039;s true, but it&#039;s kind of irrelevant as a criterion for platform selection.

&lt;em&gt;Abhijit, an advantage of your blog over Jesse’s is it doesn’t require me to “type ‘x’ in the box” to leave a comment…&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s a great point, Matt. Jesse &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be using OpenID on his blog, since it&#039;s built in to MT4 and doesn&#039;t require a plugin, as it does on Abhijit&#039;s blog right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify a few of Matt&#8217;s points&#8230;</p>
<p><em>If you use learn the funky MiXedCase MT template tags you know… Movable Type. A proprietary tag system used no where else in the world.</em></p>
<p>Good news: You can use lowercase tags in MT4. So if your primary consideration for blogging platforms is an aversion to the shift key, mt:entries will be your new best friend. The template tag system in MT is used in TypePad as well, of course, and it&#8217;s built into Adobe Dreamweaver. Which is hardly &#8220;nowhere else in the world&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>If you learn WordPress theming you know PHP, the most widely used scripting language on the web. You’re also well-positioned to help the numerous bloggers and businesses who continue to switch to or start with WordPress every day.</em></p>
<p>Oh, c&#8217;mon. I know enough PHP to know that being familiar with <code>the_loop</code> is hardly the same thing as knowing PHP. In fact, if you learn MT&#8217;s PHP template tags, you learn Smarty templating. Which is a PHP skill you can actually use on other applications. But this whole line of conversation is kind of disingenuous &#8212; it&#8217;s along the lines of &#8220;if you extend Microsoft Word using C, you can write your own operating system!&#8221; Technically, it&#8217;s true, but it&#8217;s kind of irrelevant as a criterion for platform selection.</p>
<p><em>Abhijit, an advantage of your blog over Jesse’s is it doesn’t require me to “type ‘x’ in the box” to leave a comment…</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great point, Matt. Jesse <em>should</em> be using OpenID on his blog, since it&#8217;s built in to MT4 and doesn&#8217;t require a plugin, as it does on Abhijit&#8217;s blog right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Theme Playground &#124; The Dust Settles: Thoughts on WordPress 2.3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theme Playground &#124; The Dust Settles: Thoughts on WordPress 2.3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is hosting a great comparison between MT4 and WordPress 2.3. Some interesting discussions are cited in the post, and it even got a little comment love from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://ifacethoughts.net/2007/09/25/wordpress-23-and-another-comparison-with-movable-type/comment-page-1/#comment-105449</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you use learn the funky MiXedCase MT template tags you know... Movable Type. A proprietary tag system used no where else in the world.

If you learn WordPress theming you know PHP, the most widely used scripting language on the web. You&#039;re also well-positioned to help the numerous bloggers and businesses who continue to switch to or start with WordPress every day.

Abhijit, an advantage of your blog over Jesse&#039;s is it doesn&#039;t require me to &quot;type &#039;x&#039; in the box&quot; to leave a comment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you use learn the funky MiXedCase MT template tags you know&#8230; Movable Type. A proprietary tag system used no where else in the world.</p>
<p>If you learn WordPress theming you know PHP, the most widely used scripting language on the web. You&#8217;re also well-positioned to help the numerous bloggers and businesses who continue to switch to or start with WordPress every day.</p>
<p>Abhijit, an advantage of your blog over Jesse&#8217;s is it doesn&#8217;t require me to &#8220;type &#8216;x&#8217; in the box&#8221; to leave a comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Nadgouda</title>
		<link>http://ifacethoughts.net/2007/09/25/wordpress-23-and-another-comparison-with-movable-type/comment-page-1/#comment-105378</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhijit Nadgouda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse, thanks for your comment. I agree with you that the template tags are not a language by themselves, but they are still something other than PHP. When I have seen people use WordPress, they really liked that it was PHP everywhere. The separation matters when you have different people working on different things. Which is not the case most of the times. Also, it is not very easy when you need more than existing tags. MT of course lets you create them, but they are not easy from a non-programmer perspective.

I have worked on MT, though not as extensive as on WP, and perhaps on older versions. The reason I said MT search is better is because it allows regular expressions and boolean queries, as far as I remember.

My differentiation in the MT editions is because of features like LDAP user management, user account synchronization and industry leading documentation which are not listed for the community edition.

And I do agree with you that MT is not inferior, as I have said in the post, but it is not superior either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse, thanks for your comment. I agree with you that the template tags are not a language by themselves, but they are still something other than PHP. When I have seen people use WordPress, they really liked that it was PHP everywhere. The separation matters when you have different people working on different things. Which is not the case most of the times. Also, it is not very easy when you need more than existing tags. MT of course lets you create them, but they are not easy from a non-programmer perspective.</p>
<p>I have worked on MT, though not as extensive as on WP, and perhaps on older versions. The reason I said MT search is better is because it allows regular expressions and boolean queries, as far as I remember.</p>
<p>My differentiation in the MT editions is because of features like LDAP user management, user account synchronization and industry leading documentation which are not listed for the community edition.</p>
<p>And I do agree with you that MT is not inferior, as I have said in the post, but it is not superior either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://ifacethoughts.net/2007/09/25/wordpress-23-and-another-comparison-with-movable-type/comment-page-1/#comment-105372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Abhijit!  Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts on the matter.

I agree with you on some things.  How much gets built in and how much remains a plugin has been one of the major discussions over on Pronet.  

Having worked extensively with both platforms, though, I&#039;m going to have to disagree with you on the template tags.  It&#039;s nothing at all like Perl or PHP.  In fact, it&#039;s not a language at all.  It&#039;s really just something that looks like an HTML template tag, only that represents data from a database.  (You don&#039;t even have to self close tags like XML, but I do because I&#039;m obsessive compulsive.)  But it&#039;s human readable.  Stuff like MTEntryPermalink or MTBlogDescription.  Can&#039;t get easier than that.

And I&#039;m not sure I understand your dual edition argument.  There&#039;s only one Movable Type, with an add-on component for enterprise customers.  That&#039;s not an unusual thing; WP even offers WP-MU if people want to manage multiple blogs.

You are right that publishing files can be a drag, but MT has not only gotten a lot smarter about what needs to get rebuilt, it&#039;s also got RebuildQueue (which publishes in the background) built in.  And I laughed out loud that you think MT search is better!  I&#039;ve often thought it was it&#039;s weakest point.  Ah well.  =)

Anyhow, if you know WP, by all means recommend it to your friends.  They&#039;ll probably be coming to you for support anyhow.  Just don&#039;t write off MT as inferior, because it&#039;s got a LOT of power under the hood.  

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Abhijit!  Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts on the matter.</p>
<p>I agree with you on some things.  How much gets built in and how much remains a plugin has been one of the major discussions over on Pronet.  </p>
<p>Having worked extensively with both platforms, though, I&#8217;m going to have to disagree with you on the template tags.  It&#8217;s nothing at all like Perl or PHP.  In fact, it&#8217;s not a language at all.  It&#8217;s really just something that looks like an HTML template tag, only that represents data from a database.  (You don&#8217;t even have to self close tags like XML, but I do because I&#8217;m obsessive compulsive.)  But it&#8217;s human readable.  Stuff like MTEntryPermalink or MTBlogDescription.  Can&#8217;t get easier than that.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure I understand your dual edition argument.  There&#8217;s only one Movable Type, with an add-on component for enterprise customers.  That&#8217;s not an unusual thing; WP even offers WP-MU if people want to manage multiple blogs.</p>
<p>You are right that publishing files can be a drag, but MT has not only gotten a lot smarter about what needs to get rebuilt, it&#8217;s also got RebuildQueue (which publishes in the background) built in.  And I laughed out loud that you think MT search is better!  I&#8217;ve often thought it was it&#8217;s weakest point.  Ah well.  =)</p>
<p>Anyhow, if you know WP, by all means recommend it to your friends.  They&#8217;ll probably be coming to you for support anyhow.  Just don&#8217;t write off MT as inferior, because it&#8217;s got a LOT of power under the hood.  </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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